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[bruce coston]

starting with .......... I've worked tirelessly to help SVLUG limp into the 21st  
   century since elected.

    Here are just some of the ways:
    - dealing with lots of unfinished business of the previous administrations
    - finding sponsors to replace the ones that had to stop sponsoring us   
  (digging into my own pocket during the gap)
    - finding volunteers to replace the ones that had to stop helping us    
 (and juggling the balls myself during the gap)
    - finding speakers with Ani and arranging special guest appearances at  
   installfests and such
    - accomodating various volunteer's desires, even when it's of   
  questionable benefit to SVLUG
    - trying to convince the volunteers to actually do some of the things    
 they've been saying they would do
    - providing an "ear" for volunteers griping about other volunteers
    - introducing new activities within SVLUG - the OLPC and Kernel  
   Walkthru efforts come immediately to mind

    ...and that's all just in my role of President! I've helped SVLUG out  
   as a regular old volunteer (helping to build Brie, etc), and as the  
   installfest coordinator, as well.

    -> I've _moderated_ only one volunteer in my entire administration.

    -> I've _dismissed_ only one volunteer in my entire administration.

    So... calm down, take your medicine, and realize - SVLUG'll do just  
   fine without your volunteer assistance, if that's the way you want   
  things - and SVLUG'll happily welcome you back, if that's the way you  
   want things.

[ Hey , sounds like your running for office, so I assume we will get to vote on recalling the President in Dec. Kilgore ]

    From: "Paul Reiber" <reiber at gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [svlug] Announcement: VP transition - bad at.........
    Regarding the "rush" - there is a little bit of one, as I mentioned  
   I'm not comfortable     being the only officer. ................. 
similarly willing to do   productive work with me.
[ That would be easier If we didn't see so many volunteers flee at once. Kilgore ].......................................................
    From: Lisa <svlug at flygirl.com>
    Subject: Re: [svlug] Announcement: VP transition - bad attitude
    Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:01:47 -0800
    To: svlug at lists.svlug.org................. I don't think that anything matters   
  more than "the will of the members," whatever that may be. It's     THEIR organization.

[ Just the vote counting part of measuring that gets into some very complicated issues. Kilgore ]

    From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" <kristian.hermansen at gmail.com>
    Subject: [svlug] Linux to Politics ratio.................
    I just wanted to respectfully ask that we try to keep the topic about     Linux on the mailing list. Maybe we need to have a separate mailing     list called svlug-politics perhaps? I just want to keep focusing on     my love of Linux, but this damn political junk
[ Will destroy svlug unless we keep enough info in the open to achieve and maintain an educated electorate , just like any other organisation attempting self governance!  Kilgore ].............................
    process, proceedures, protocols, people, rights, responsibilities     action items, history, the old way, the new way, etc are     in place for a reason

    > > except one of the major rules have been compromised in that     > > documents and archives seems to be missing making it harder     > > tofind these "voting" policies and proceedures and length..............
[ This seems enough reason to ditch current leadership to me. And if anyone is wondering about my google home page problem, those symptoms disappeared several reboots after a firefox update. Kilgore ]..quoting.......... I've worked tirelessly to help SVLUG limp into the 21st     century since elected.

    Here are just some of the ways:
    - dealing with lots of unfinished business of the previous administrations
    - finding sponsors to replace the ones that had to stop sponsoring us     (digging into my own pocket during the gap)
    - finding volunteers to replace the ones that had to stop helping us     (and juggling the balls myself during the gap)
    - finding speakers with Ani and arranging special guest appearances at     installfests and such
    - accomodating various volunteer's desires, even when it's of     questionable benefit to SVLUG
    - trying to convince the volunteers to actually do some of the things     they've been saying they would do
    - providing an "ear" for volunteers griping about other volunteers
    - introducing new activities within SVLUG - the OLPC and Kernel     Walkthru efforts come immediately to mind

    ...and that's all just in my role of President! I've helped SVLUG out     as a regular old volunteer (helping to build Brie, etc), and as the     installfest coordinator, as well.

    -> I've _moderated_ only one volunteer in my entire administration.

    -> I've _dismissed_ only one volunteer in my entire administration.

    So... calm down, take your medicine, and realize - SVLUG'll do just     fine without your volunteer assistance, if that's the way you want     things - and SVLUG'll happily welcome you back, if that's the way you     want things.

[ Hey , sounds like your running for office, so I assume we will get to vote on recalling the President in Dec. Kilgore ]

    From: "Paul Reiber" <reiber at gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [svlug] Announcement: VP transition - bad at.........
    Regarding the "rush" - there is a little bit of one, as I mentioned     I'm not comfortable     being the only officer. ................. similarly willing to do   productive work with me.
[ That would be easier If we didn't see so many volunteers flee at once. Kilgore ]
.......................................................
    From: Lisa <svlug at flygirl.com>
    Subject: Re: [svlug] Announcement: VP transition - bad attitude
    Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:01:47 -0800
    To: svlug at lists.svlug.org
................. I don't think that anything matters     more than "the will of the members," whatever that may be. It's     THEIR organization.
[ Just the vote counting part of measuring that gets into some very complicated issues. Kilgore ]

    From: "Kristian Erik Hermansen" <kristian.hermansen at gmail.com>
    Subject: [svlug] Linux to Politics ratio.................
    I just wanted to respectfully ask that we try to keep the topic about     Linux on the mailing list. Maybe we need to have a separate mailing     list called svlug-politics perhaps? I just want to keep focusing on     my love of Linux, but this damn political junk
[ Will destroy svlug unless we keep enough info in the open to achieve and maintain an educated electorate , just like any other organisation attempting self governance! Despite the fact that it "looks unprofessional" to outsiders - thats how real representative groups get run.  Kilgore ].............................
    process, proceedures, protocols, people, rights, responsibilities     action items, history, the old way, the new way, etc are     in place for a reason

    > > except one of the major rules have been compromised in that     > > documents and archives seems to be missing making it harder     > > tofind these "voting" policies and proceedures and length..............
[ This seems enough reason to ditch current leadership to me. Kilgore ]

       
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