[web-team] web-team Digest, Vol 2, Issue 6

[Paul Reiber]

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On 4/28/07, web-team-request at lists.svlug.org
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>    1. Job Policy page tightened up; more to come (Rick Moen)
>    2. Re: Job Policy page tightened up; more to come (Rick Moen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:28:03 -0700
> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: [web-team] Job Policy page tightened up; more to come
> To: webmaster at svlug.org
> Message-ID: <20070428012802.GE15914 at linuxmafia.com>
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> I've slowly been making our mailing list-related pages less ridiculously
> verbose and redundant, and also fewer in number (see below).  Part of
> that is that any data item specific to just one mailing list has been
> getting migrated to that mailing list's listinfo page.
>
> I've finally gotten around to
> http://www.svlug.org/policies/job-policy.php (our "Job Policy" page),
> which wasn't our worst example, but has needed work for a while.
>
> This sentence gets snipped, being redundant to mention of same on the
> Jobs list's listinfo page (http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs/):
>
>    Please note that the "jobs" mailing list is for job postings only,
>    and specifically not for resumes, job-wanted postings, or discussion.
>
> The main thing, though, is that I'm snipping this entire huge section
> (below), comprising the bottom 50% of the Job Policy page.  Why?
> Because it laboriously documents two consecutive policy changes that
> ended about five years ago.  Therefore, I can't believe that anyone's
> confused any _more_.  So, out it can (finally) go away.
>
> Naturally, the old text is not only here but also in the RCS history, if
> someone decides I'm making a horrible mistake, etc.
>
>
>
> ---snip---
>
> <hr noshade>
> <h3>But I heard... and now... Why has the policy changed?</h3>
>
> <dl>
> <dt><b>...Job postings aren't allowed on the main "svlug" list? Now they
> are?</b>
> <dd>Once upon a few years ago...
>
> <br>
> As Silicon Valley got into a bit of a boom, and there were a lot of jobs
> available; even the legitimate requests to post jobs were overwhelming.
> We got <em>really</em> tired of wading through a lot of requests with
> bad qualities; some didn't even know what Linux was.  We didn't have
> enough moderators: there were a lot of jobs.  So we stopped approving
> postings, and changed the policy.
>
> <br>&nbsp;
>
> <br>However, times have gotten hard again, so we're returning to the old
> policy.  Officers must approve postings.
>
> <br>&nbsp;
>
> <dt><b>...you let us post jobs to the main "svlug" list if we tell the
> officers??</b>
> <dd>
> We <i>never</i> found it acceptable for recruiters to bypass us and just
> post... and such was sometimes a reason for denying further posting from
> a given employer or recruiter, or even, kicking someone off the list
> entirely.
>
> <br>&nbsp;
> <dt><b>... you have job announcements at your meetings? Now you
> don't?</b>
> <dd>
> We used to do that, before the speaker presented, but there were so many
> at one point that the main presentation only got about half his expected
> time slot.  That's not cool.  So now we have the jobs corner.   Don't be
> afraid to say that you are hiring, or job-seeking, during the general
> hubbub after meetings.  You may find just what you need.
>
> <br>&nbsp;<br>
> <dt><b>Under what conditions would you change the policy again?</b>
> <dd>
> <br>
> Our members themselves are an important part of this.  If you are an
> SVLUG member and you disagree with our policy, <em>PLEASE</em> tell us.
> We are a very small group of officers, and you're a pretty big group.
>
> <br>&nbsp;
> </dl>
>
> ---snip---
>
> "Other places to post jobs ads" is actually something else that I've
> been gradually migrating to the listinfo page
> (http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs/):  I'll probably in the
> near future further shorten http://www.svlug.org/policies/job-policy.php
> by merging the guts of Job Policy's "You can use other resources related
> to job hunting and hiring" section to the listinfo page, too.
>
> At that point, _probably_ the Job Policy page will end up being
> vestigial and can be done away with entirely.  (Yay!)
>
> I've already eliminated the former page "www.svlug.org/maillists/"
> (see: http://web.archive.org/web/20050226043153/www.svlug.org/maillists/)
> and the former links to it, so we're down to just...
>
> http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.php
> http://www.svlug.org/policies/job-policy.php
> http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/  (fixed format; automatic)
> ..and the individual lists' listinfo pages, e.g.
>      http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs
>      http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:57:18 -0700
> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [web-team] Job Policy page tightened up; more to come
> To: webmaster at svlug.org
> Message-ID: <20070428015718.GA19445 at linuxmafia.com>
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> I wrote:
>
> > "Other places to post jobs ads" is actually something else that I've
> > been gradually migrating to the listinfo page
> > (http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs/):  I'll probably in the
> > near future further shorten http://www.svlug.org/policies/job-policy.php
> > by merging the guts of Job Policy's "You can use other resources related
> > to job hunting and hiring" section to the listinfo page, too.
> >
> > At that point, _probably_ the Job Policy page will end up being
> > vestigial and can be done away with entirely.  (Yay!)
>
> OK, everything useful from http://www.svlug.org/policies/job-policy.php
> has now been merged into http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs/ .
> To my knowledge, nothing links to the former page, any more.  I'll leave
> it in place, just in case anything still does.
>
> So, we've reduced the roster of mailing list pages down to just
> http://www.svlug.org/policies/list-policy.php ,
> http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/ ,
> and the individual listinfo pages.
>
> My thanks to Daniel, whos sharp eyes spotted the two residual ".shtml"
> links on http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/jobs .  One was to
> the Link Farm (now no longer needed), and I forget what the other was.
> Fixed.
>
>
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