[web-team] farm.shtml condition report.

[Heather]

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> > First thing, could you do a traversal in the linkfarm area, and advise
> > which links are dead/relo'd ?
> 
> Here is my report. What you guys want me to do? Thanks.
> 
> 1. Bleeding Edge Magazine. http://www.gcs.bc.ca/bleedingedge/
> The page do not resolve to anything. I tried to search with Google and
> Yahoo. Both came back empty handed. I followed some links too but prove
> unfruitful. So Delete from page? The magazine looks like it got
> discontinued. Should I ask in mailing list for the link to this?

Toss it.

> 2. Newbie's Linux Manual by Laurence Hunter
> The current link, http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thebits/manual/ ,
> resolve. And it has the message saying it's moved. But the new link,
> http://www.thebits.co.uk/ , space has the blank page. I sent an e mail to
> webmaster I found from 404 page.

stub it. comment it out but put the new URL in.  If they reply fixed, 
uncomment it.  Otherwise we can toss it out next month.

> 3. Linux Documentation Project Home Page -- points to sunsite, which
> redirects to metalab, which redirects to linuxdoc.
> 
> The link was updated.

:)

> 4. Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information -- goes
> to a site whose home page opens with "The LUIGUI project
> has been reluctantly terminated, and this site is no
> longer being maintained."
> 
> Yes. It's very well true but we should keep the link, IMHO. The said that
> "We will be leaving the site up for those of you who may benefit from the
> resources or may be interested in developing similar projects." and I think
> we should keep the page.

Probably, if we have room we should mirror the content, on the expecatation
that someday "unmaintained" will include throwing out the domain name. A
policy decision I think I should involve the Officers as a whole in, tho.

Go ahead and stay pointing at it.  Outside the link put 
	(unmaintained)
so anyone else who feels nervous about losing content off the net can
snag it.

> 5.  Linux for the Newbie  -- goes to a page that reads: "I've no clue
> how this got listed as pigradio.com.  Please go to
> http://www.pigradio.com". The referenced site does not
> appear to be a Linux site, for newbies or anyone else.
> 
> This prove to be somewhat untrue. He said that he no longer have the server
> to run on it since his server died. So we will delete from the page. Agree?

Yes, delete.

> 6. LinuxHQ -- does not resolve
> 
> It DOES resolve. So we will leave it alone.

I know when it was new it was a touchy site, a dif't question is how up
to date it stays.  But while it's still good at all let's keep it.

> 7. comp.os.linux.announce web-based newsgroup from Zippo
> or feedME -- neither Zippo nor feedME resolves

Sadly, ZIPPO moved to a paid-only service, and then later, the Zippo Lighter
people bought the domain and shut the service down entirely.

> Updated those with the one from University of Helsinki- CS department one.

excellent.  

To help you out, for links to newsgroups, let's gather those into one
section and use 
	<a href="news:comp.os.linux.announce">comp.os.linux.announce</a>  
	affectionately known as C.O.L.A.
...style links.

For links to lists, if it has a canonical home archive on the web, let's
point there; if it has a canonical "about this list/joining" page let's
point there too.  Might be worth mentioning type of list (majordomo, 
listserv, etc) to aid experienced folks.

Anything that is stale but you think you might retrieve, feel free to
leave in but commented out.  You can either use SGML style comments, or,
what I like to do with links-in-progress:
	<a stub="http://href.to.be.com/">Linux Newbies Guide</a>
...then it is easy to change the word "stub" to "href" quickly.  And anyone
who reads the source ought to be able to figure out that it's "stubbed" :)

> Ahh.... Enough for today. :-). I will follow up tomorrow with the rest

When you are done with your changes please ci -u them so the page reappears.

> .The following errors are still unchecked yet.

:) that's okay.  It's a long road, if you can only nail 3 or 4 a day, we 
should still have it clean within a month or two.  We shouldn't have the 
page down for that long, but, I have a nice "spider doing construction"
icon we can use if we feel like.  I'm thinking something on the order of
the top having the shiny new links which you've checked, and all the links
below the warning sign being as they were, so you can go at the pace that
your free time allows.

> >         "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" -- 404s

EST has moved to tuxedo.org/~esr and you can probably find it from there.

> >         Red Hat Linux User's FAQ (mirror sites: Maryland, Texas,
> >                        Netherlands) -- the MD and TX mirrors both 404
> >         Linux Hardware Certification Laboratory -- does not resolve
> >         Linux International -- does not resolve

li.org ?

> >         Linux Journal and their Linux News and Linux Gazette
> >                        -- does 3 redirects

Linux Gazette canonical is now: http://www.linuxgazette.com/
Not sure about the other two, but LJ is easily found.

> >         (SVLUG hosts an LG mirror site.) -- 404s

keeping it up to date is a job for the missing cronjob coordinator.
drop the mirror reference, unless Ben Spade's personal mirror is up
to date, in which case change to "an SVLUG member hosts a mirror site."
May be wise to ask him first.

> >         Installfest.com - hosted by  SVLUG -- redirects to
> >                 http://www.thunder.net/, which says nothing about
> >                 InstallFests

SGML-comment this out for the moment, I can check on this one in human
space next month.

> >         Linux Networking Project -- 404s
> >         GNU-Win32 Project -- does 2 redirects
> >         fbcon - Linux Frame Buffer Console driver project  -- 404s
> >         Linux Security Home Page  -- redirects to a page that opens
> >                 with: "Anyone know what I should do with this
> >                 webpage? Kinda at a loss to something with this.
> >                 Most of the stuff here is out of date."

Tempted to leave that one as it is.  Out of date info means he may be
one of the few sites still keeping track of what was wrong with the 
really old distros.

> >         Linux Privs -- 404s
> >         Linux/SGI project -- 404s

Now hosted at sgi itself.  Follow MIPS howto from linuxdoc to get
there.

> >         Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO -- does 2 redirects
> >         Linuxmanship -- 404s
> >         Linux Employment at LinuxResources (SSC) -- links to Linux
> >                 Journal, but not to a jobs page there
> >         Jobs listings at Silicon Valley area Linux companies
> >                        VA Linux Systems (Sunnyvale) -- 404s
> >                        LinuxCare (San Francisco) -- 404s
> >                        Cobalt Networks (Mountain View) -- 404s

Toss the "job listings in area" resources from here.  I'll be updating
the Lists Policies, and will use correct links to some job listings as a 
way to hold off the teeming recruiter/recruit-me types.  When done, I
can add "jobs listings" as a single item in the Linkfarm.

> >         [I skipped testing "Major Linux Distributions"]

Shouldn't be too hard. might be wroth noting that LWN (www.lwn.net) 
does a decent job of listing a zillion minor ones too.  So you don't 
have to go after any little ones if you don't feel like chasing them.

> >         [I skipped testing Hardware Vendors]

Needs doing tho.

Tempted to restrict these two to ones who have an office or homesite in the
Silicon Valley area.  

> >         Just Computers! (Rohnert Park) -- the Linux entry there consists
> >                 of this text: "If you are looking for linux products,
> >                 try http://www.cheapbytes.com for good values."

delete.  It's a resource site not an ads bin.

> >         [I skipped the last 2 sections.]

We'll get there eventually !

* Heather Stern * Web Coordinator