[volunteers] I'm going to be away

Jesse Monroy jesse650 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 2 11:35:05 PST 2015

San Marteen!!

where people go to get "blown away by jets taking off"


On 12/2/15, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Tim Utschig (tim at tetro.net):
>> Enjoy your trips.
>> I'll try to be more attentive in your absence.
> Thanks, and appreciated.
> As I said on
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2015-December/008251.html:
> Itinerary on this one:
> Dec. 3rd, we fly out for a several-day stay in Marigot, Sint Maarten,
> then cross the island to Saint Martin, French West Indies (one island,
> two countries) to board SeaDream I
> Dec. 5th:  Marigot, Saint Martin, French West Indies
> Dec. 6th:  Sandy Ground, Anguilla, British West Indies
> Dec. 7th:  Saba, Netherlands (formerly Netherlands Antilles)
> Dec. 8th:  Gustavia, Saint Barthélemy, French West Indies, France
> Dec. 9th:  Falmouth Bay, Antigua and Barbuda
> Dec. 10th:  Iles des Saintes, Guadeloupe, Lesser Antilles, France
> Dec. 11th:  Coconut Grove, Nevis, Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis
> Dec. 12th:  Marigot, Saint Martin, French West Indies
> Then, we'll be in Saint Martin & Sint Maarten for a couple more days,
> arriving back on Dec. 15th.
> One of the peculiarities of the above is the countries involved:  Saba
> and Sint Maarten are both Dutch, but:
>   Saba: classed as municipality in Netherlands, the country.
>   Sint Maarten: classed as a country in its own right.
> Both are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, a meta-country
> comprising four countries:  Netherlands, Aruba, Curaçao, and Sint Maarten.
> _However_, 'country' diesn't mean sovereign state, as 'Kingdom affairs'
> are not in its power, but rather that of the royal-apointed Governor of
> Sint Maarten.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#Kingdom_affairs
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Sint_Maarten
> 'Staat' (country) appears in this context to be Dutch for 'About 50% a
> colony, though we'd rather you didn't call it that.'
> Saint Martin (the French half) and Saint-Barthélemy are collectivités
> d'outre-mer (overseas collectivities) of the French Republic.
> Guadeloupe, by contrast, is a région d'outre-mer (overseas region) of
> the French Republic.  My understanding is that Guadeloupeans vote in
> France's national elections (presidential, legislative), e.g., have full
> French political participation.  Saint Martiners and Barthélemois
> cannot, but are represented in the French Senate.
> A cynic might say that collectivité d'outre-mer is French for 'S'il vous
> plait, don't call it a colony'.
> Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis is a country, full stop, independent
> from the UK since 1983.  Likewise Antigua and Barbuda, independent since
> 1981.
> Anguilla is 'an internally self-governing overseas territory of the
> United Kingdom', which is British for 'Yes, basically a colony.'
> Also:
> Saint Martin:  part of the EU, currency is the Euro.
> Sint Maarten:  NOT part of the EU, currency is the Netherlands Antillean
>                guilder.  (But Sint Maarteners are EU citizens, despite
>                not living in the EU.  This is because the Dutch have
>                only one category of citizenship, covering the entire
>                Kingdon of the Netherlands meta-country.)
> Anguilla:      in the EU (because the UK is), currency is East Caribbean
> dollar.
> Saba:          NOT part of the EU, currency is the US dollar.
>                (Sabans are EU citizens, despite not living in the EU.)
> Saint_Barthélemy:  part of the EU, currency is the Euro.
> Antigua and Barbuda:  NOT part of the EU, currency is the East Caribbean
> dollar.
> Guadeloupe:    part of the EU, currency is the Euro.
> Nevis:         NOT part of the EU, currency is the East Caribbean dollar.
> Even the parts of this trip that are in the EU are outside the Schengen
> Area (the portion of the EU plus some neighbouring countries that no
> longer have border or passport controls for travel among them).  So,
> presumably, French traveling from France to the overseas region of
> Guadeloupe need to show passports and clear customs.  Irrespective of
> that, we'll need to, anyway.
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