[volunteers] On hamburgers - merged

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya 

> Rick Moen wrote:
> 
> Duncan's of course a good guy 

yup ... what is his email addy anyway, so he can be included
in these discussions

	- sometimes, the first step needs to be taken by 
	somebody, in this case, handpick the "leader" ...

	- in the past, "leaders" volunteered to run the picnic
	by volunteering themself by posting to the picnic list

====
==== private email does NOT work ... as is being proved yet again
====	"linux" is open source as is "picnic"
====

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--- picnic releated stuff shold be posted to the linux picnic mailing list
    as the picnic volunteers are in that list ... not this 
    "secret" svlug mailing list
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> Which is just one of the many ways in which it's been made to be 
> _no longer_ our picnic.  (Drew Bertola assumed otherwise, when he handed
> over the domain.  His trust was misplaced.)
 
i saw that ... linux10.org is now dead ... it was alive even
during last year picnic .. more picnic info got lost and erased 
or at least "unavailable"

> And last, I mentioned on Sbay's (non-public, of course) Linux Picnic
> mailing list 

public interest items ( like "linux picnic" ) should be freely
available for anybody to look over ...

there is no room for "me/mine" vs "them" in opensource community

but all opinions is mine...


> > if anything .. the many sponsors should be able to dictate how their $$$
> > is spent for the picnic ... without whom the picnic might not occur
> > "linux picnic" is for everybody .. not one entity to dictate
 
and more importantly ... how much $$$ was spent and what is left over ...

> Which reminds me, Heather:  So, it's still the Bay Area Linux groups'
> picnic, eh?  OK, go ahead and ignore everything else I'm saying.
> However, just one question -- about the picnic treasurer:
> 
> Henry House of LUGOD did a fine job as picnic treasurer.  He didn't
> co-mingle the picnic's funds with LUGOD's or anyone else's, and managed
> them properly on behalf of the Linux groups that collectively ran the
> 2005 picnic. 

it probably comingled, but it all came out ... they made the
budget available for review and funds transferred to justin ( sbay )

anybody that wants to play treasurer should be able to play treasurer
or any other position of interest to the volunteers to make the
linux picnic happen ... preferrably without any major or minor problems

> But LUGOD isn't going to be allowed to do the treasurer job, any more.
> Nor SVLUG.  Nor BALUG.  Nor EBLUG.  Nor CABAL.  Nor Smaug.  Nor CalLUG.  
> Nor SJSU LUG.  nor SF-LUG. 
 
any lug should be able to do picnic treasure stuff

> Sbay has emborged that function within itself and will not let non-Sbay
> personnel do it any more, correct?  If you assert that I'm wrong, prove it:
> Solicit offers from the Bay Area Linux groups for a treasurer (Henry or
> anyone else) to manage and spend the picnic's incoming funds on behalf
> of _all_ the constituent groups, and not just on behalf of Sbay.  Then
> make clear that the picnic coordinator and treasurer are answerable to
> the numerous participating groups -- as was the case traditionally --
> and not uniquely to Sbay.

that should also include who makes what decisions and by what deadlines
so that it doesnt all coming to a crashing deadend at the last minute

all these problems were avoided previously because it was a "group effort"
and not one person deciding with veto power

> Call me a cynic

okay cynic.. but you're not alone ...

one problem i see, is NOT everybody is willing to say anything
as it is easier to lay low as oppose to stirring the pot

> (Instead, we'll hear institutional excuses for why it won't occur.)  The
> picnic treasury is now and prospectively treated as Sbay's property and
> under its control (as was the case in 2006, despite the agreement with

the linux picnic donations can be sent to anybody ... at random
to whomever volunteers for that position

there is nothing ( legally ) sbay or anybody can do to prevent it 
unless of course duncan says no way to any volunteers for any 
particular task

> SVLUG to the contrary), just as the Web site is, the domain is, and the
> picnic venue is.

those are major sticky points that needs to be cleaned up
and it takes a couple minutes of time to do it .. to make it clean
per the vote of the community

rick> i see _zero_ Linux picnics held by the Bay Area Linux community at
rick> present.  There used to be one.  I think it'd be nice if there were one
rick> again.

1st picnic was run by svlug
2nd picnic was run by davis lug
3nd picnic was run by davis lug ( different "coordinator" )
4th picnic was run by baylisa ( starting in the middle of it )
5th picnic was run by baylisa 

and now we have duncan to run 2007 picnic

there are many lugs in the area .. and its cousins

rick> I don't know if there is enough interest among the Bay Area's Linux
rick> groups to organise a LUGs-led picnic again.

there is ... problem is the politics of it

--- lots to clean up ... to make things a happy opensource world again ...


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c ya
alvin