[svlug] Explaining the Election
Brian J. Tarricone
bjt23 at cornell.edu
Fri Jan 25 14:31:08 PST 2008
Paul Reiber wrote:
> Rick, you've conveniently side-swiped my entire argument; that the
> appointments I made stand, and that those offices are NOT CURRENTLY
> VACANT, unless indeed both parties have since resigned.
Not that I'm an expert on these matters, but, lacking a constitution
and/or by-laws to dictate what the president can and cannot do, and what
the members can and cannot do, the members can do whatever they please,
including deciding to elect officers at a regular meeting, regardless of
whether or not there are already existing officers.
> The current state of the offices is unclear at best; to state that
> they're vacant does a disservice to the membership, since indeed, like
> it or not, I did what I did, and appointed two successors to those
And the membership may elect new officers on February 6th if they so
choose. Paul, is there a specific reason, aside from, "because I said
so and it counts because I was the president," that they can't?
Honestly, I don't particularly care about the outcome. I just think
it's pretty silly for one individual to believe that his attempt to set
policy is binding, potentially against the wishes of the membership,
when there's no membership-ratified document giving him the authority to
Given the lack of any governing documents, this group effectively has no
rules for operation. Although, let's not forget who actually has
tangible power over the group's operations: people with root on the
server, admin access to the lists, control over the domains, etc.
They're free to set whatever policies they want, and the membership can
do little about it if they don't like it.
To borrow your own description, Paul, SVLUG is more or less a do-ocracy
(plus the IMO mostly-benevolent admin oligarchy). If some members take
it upon themselves to band together and select new leadership outside of
your final appointments, it's entirely within their bounds to do so...
because, frankly, what's to stop them? As long as the admins consider
the election valid, it's valid.
P.S. Granted, without some sort of legal status, even if there was a
constitution/by-laws, there still might not be much recourse if those
who control SVLUG's resources decided to ignore the elected leadership.
Of course, IANAL, so I'm sure there are nuances and legal machinations
I'm not considering.
P.P.S. I strongly question while I still (sporadically) read this list,
but I must admit, somewhat ashamed to say, that all these goings-on can
be pretty entertaining.
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