[svlug] Officers

William Teeple bill at teeple.tv
Thu Jan 24 22:35:10 PST 2008

Christian - don't speak for 'the group' please.

I support and recognize the appointment - as I did the officer (Paul)  
who made it.

We need (not should) ratify the appointment at the next meeting or put  
up names and vote and once the vote is cast and people make their  
decisions - we as the community should support it and further the  
great cause of the LINUX movement.  We need to stop engaging in  
political warfare on this list.

Call me old-fashioned, but I believe an organization should have  
structure and leaders to help drive the org forward - if you want a  
flat-organization with no leaders, go join an alt.news listing or  
something and post there.

If not a President, Vice-President etc. then how about a communistic  
org with a Linux-Politburo or something?  There should be some  
governing body to help run the intricacies and organize the chaos.

My two cents.

Bill Teeple, MCSE & MCSA
Manager of Information Technologies
San Jose, CA


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On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:

> hi
> On Jan 24, 2008 7:00 PM, Edward Cherlin <echerlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's get this aired out. Rick has made it fairly clear that he does
> not regard me and Lisa as officers by Paul's appointment. I don't want
> to be an officer solely by Paul's appointment. But I am the only
> declared candidate for President, to the best of my knowledge. People
> have even tried to vote for me on this list. :)
> IMHO, Paul Reiber made the mistake (well-intentioned) of assuming  
> that he had powers that this group doesn't recognize.  I think that  
> you really hit it on the head, Ed, when you declared to run on the  
> Peace and Herding Cats platform.  No one is going to tell anyone in  
> this group to do anything.  I would recommend that you try to build  
> consensus.  This group is not governable.  It is too wild and  
> opinionated.  This group is comprised of very strong-willed, highly  
> intelligent, highly educated people, and my experience with those  
> types, whether they be engineers or lawyers, is that they want to be  
> heard, they don't want to be talked down to, and yet if you get out  
> of their way, they will really get stuff done.
> So I would just forget the title altogether, and let everything take  
> its course naturally.  Let's have an election.  Let's allow a lot of  
> time for debate about procedure, and candidates, etc.  Let's forget  
> about titles.  If you need a title, pick some sort of silly title,  
> like Chief Cat Herder, and then if anyone else challenges that  
> title, they can create a title for themselves.
> The fact of the matter is that this group is an email list and a  
> group that gets together to do highly technical talks on interesting  
> subjects.  Rick Moen has de facto authority due to his skills, and  
> anyone who doesn't recognize this won't get to far.  Same for Marc  
> Merlin.  To name just two of many.
> Sadly, I am just an unskilled end user who lives one hour from  
> Silicon Valley, and I just hang out here to learn stuff, and so I  
> will shut up now.     ;-)
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