[svlug] Vote of no confidence in the current administration

Edward Cherlin echerlin at gmail.com
Tue Jan 22 14:51:01 PST 2008

On Jan 22, 2008 2:09 PM, Marc MERLIN <marc_news at merlins.org> wrote:
> Ok, I first sent this to private lists not to stir things up in public,
> but my posts are being rejected (sometimes silently) on most if not all
> those lists.

While the server was down, or after it came back up?

> When is the day where things got so bad at svlug that people get prevented
> from posting to svlug lists, have posts silently discarded, and the
> president tries to make new lists with reply-to munging turned on?
> I'm just very saddened by the current state of SVLUG. Volunteers don't seem
> to be able to willing with the president anymore, VP and volunteers quit,
> and the svlug machine which I built years ago, and worked fine for years,
> seems to have mis-admined into a state where simple things like mail and web
> can't even work reliably anymore (and it's not a hardware issue, several of
> the problems I've seen came from breaking a system that was working fine
> prior to that)
> Mail's been down and spooling for about 2 weeks now, and nothing was done.
> Some people seemed to have known but had no access, or no willingness to fix
> one more thing that someone else keeps breaking.
> (I'm not going to give names because I don't want to debate who said what
> and who did what, I'm just noting the current state of affairs).
> Web was down for a portion yesterday, and the list goes on (I'm sure some
> can give a much longer and detailed list)
> I think some people have been patient, have tried to work or help until they
> got fed up or turned away by the problems, and the end result is that the
> svlug server has been mis-managed to a point that Paul is now saying svlug
> should just move to google groups.
> WTF? For those who don't know me, I've been officer, VP, and president of
> svlug for 7 years in the past, and I work at google, but hearing that
> svlug's current leadership cannot even run a web site and a mailing list
> reliably (which BTW were working fine before they were tinkered with), and
> wants to offload this to managed hosting, is just pathetic.
> While I have given enough of my time in the past, I have no desire to
> re-run, but I'd like to call a vote of no confidence in the hope that there
> are at least a couple of (ex-)volunteers who are willing to become the new
> leadership, and have the means to run a linux machine and do whatever else
> is necessary to run at least the bare minimums to allow this group to run
> (back in the days, we've run it with as little one linux admin, one web
> person, and one person to find speakers. More is better, but 3 is enough)
> I'm also very concerned that the current state of affairs is putting strain
> on the good will that Joe at via.net is giving svlug by offering free
> hosting (see mail below).
> If people think that things are good enough the way they are, or no
> one is wiling/able to volunteer their time to take over the current
> responsibilities (which I'd understand), then good luck to all.

This is why I'm running for Vice President, currently unopposed, on a
platform of Peace and Cat-Herding. Remember, I only lead where you
want to go.

> Marc
> Below is the last mail/problem that tipped it over for me.
> (mail that got rejected, silently on at least one of those lists)
> ----- Forwarded message from Marc MERLIN <marc_news at merlins.org> -----
> From: Marc MERLIN <marc_news at merlins.org>
> To: Paul Reiber <reiber at gmail.com>
> Cc: David Hummel <lemmuh at gmail.com>, web-team at lists.svlug.org,
>         volunteers at lists.svlug.org, officers at lists.svlug.org,
>         Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 12:43:25PM -0800, Paul Reiber wrote:
> > I restarted things.  All seems to be working again; please use
> > SVLUG's google group -  http://groups.google.com/group/sv_lug
> > to communicate about server failures/problems going forward.
> If I may, things had been broken, unmonitored, and unacted upon, and fixed
> themselves when the daemons restarted due to the forced reboot at via.net
> due to the power outage that happened there this morning.
> The problem is not another mailing list, but an apparently unadmined, half
> broken system. Whatever admin work has been done, by whoever did it, has
> been damaging to it. Things that just worked for many years are now
> suddenly not working anymore, like web services, or mail.
> This is very worrisome.
> Also, if I may, please don't call Joe at via.net to say that svlug is down
> when it's fully up, pingable, ssh'able, but its web server isn't answering.
> Joe is doing everyone a huge favour by hosting svlug for free, but we should
> not waste his time.
> Marc
> ----- End forwarded message -----
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