[svlug] recent "vote"

Scott Hess scott at doubleu.com
Sun Nov 25 07:31:59 PST 2007

Um, he _is_ the president.  Of a Linux User's Group, no less!

Given the crap that's been posted on the list over the past couple
weeks, I see absolutely no reason to take Darlene's side over Paul's
side.  You might argue about whether she should get one more chance or
not, but it doesn't seem likely to me that this is a Whim Death sort
of situation where Paul just flew off the handle for absolutely no
reason.  Whether Darlene has had good reasons or not, she _has_ been
being an annoyance.  Sometimes when you're trying to be the squeaky
wheel, you get greased - and sometimes you get replaced.

If Darlene wants to captain the ship, maybe Darlene should run for
president next time around.  One of the reasons such an elected
position exists is so that someone can make executive decisions of
this sort.  I expect Paul doesn't spend a lot of time at purely
ceremonial events...


On 11/24/07, Jason Shupe <jshupe at d13.com> wrote:
> I guess I'd like a pointer to the captain's log, and/or other written
> policies/archives of svlug.
> Your overall tone is some what emporial, not quite what I'd expect from
> an open source group.  And without a third party poll, it's not clear how
> strong your anonymous support base is.
> I don't believe that jettisoning volunteers should be a one man
> decision, nor do I believe that it should be a hasty decision.
> I'd be in favor of adding a list admin position to the governance of svlug
> who answers to the membership and the general policies of the group, to
> add some checks and balances to the governance.
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 07:07:08PM -0800, Paul Reiber wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 2007 4:08 PM, Jason Shupe <jshupe at d13.com> wrote:
> > > I hope her 'ex-volunteer' status was her choice.  SVLUG seems to have
> > > been plagued with closed source governance in the last few years, and it
> > > would be a shame to have yet another revolution so soon after the last.
> >
> > Hi, Jason,
> >
> > Unless and until you're in the position of having to MAKE, and then
> > live with, actual decisions like this, please refrain from passing
> > public judgement on others who have to do so.  It's really kind of
> > irritating.
> >
> > By the way... there was no "last revolution".
> >
> > SVLUG's never been without its presidential and vice presidential
> > governance, and that governance has _never_ been overthrown.  Parent
> > organizations were discarded as we grew, sure... but it's never been a
> > "revolution" - to say otherwise would be doing a huge disservice to
> > the volunteers (presidents included!) who have made SVLUG what it is
> > today.
> >
> > And "revolutions" would infer we're not friends with our ex-parents -
> > and that's NOT the case either - I'm pals with both Heather and Ian,
> > who are both integral parts of SBAY, which used to be SVLUG's parent
> > organization.  I bear neither of them ill will - in fact, I welcome
> > them to be active within SVLUG - and one of them currently _is_ active
> > as an ongoing volunteer.  That's diplomacy in action, not an
> > accident... and definitely not a revolution.
> >
> > Volunteers absolutely _must_ help the group more than they hurt it.
> > Otherwise, they're a burden, not an assistance to the group.  To let
> > anyone continue to volunteer once they're a burden does the group in
> > general a disservice.
> >
> > DOZENS of SVLUG members have contacted me privately to thank me for my
> > recent actions and decisions - and as usual, one or two of you who
> > wish to dissent have contacted me publically instead, to give me grief
> > about those same decisions.
> >
> > I guess that's life on the internet...  now I'm gonna go open a nice
> > bottle of wine and have dinner with my wife.
> > -Paul
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