[svlug] recent "vote"

Jason Shupe jshupe at d13.com
Sat Nov 24 19:52:56 PST 2007

I guess I'd like a pointer to the captain's log, and/or other written
policies/archives of svlug.

Your overall tone is some what emporial, not quite what I'd expect from
an open source group.  And without a third party poll, it's not clear how
strong your anonymous support base is.

I don't believe that jettisoning volunteers should be a one man
decision, nor do I believe that it should be a hasty decision.

I'd be in favor of adding a list admin position to the governance of svlug
who answers to the membership and the general policies of the group, to
add some checks and balances to the governance.

On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 07:07:08PM -0800, Paul Reiber wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2007 4:08 PM, Jason Shupe <jshupe at d13.com> wrote:
> > I hope her 'ex-volunteer' status was her choice.  SVLUG seems to have
> > been plagued with closed source governance in the last few years, and it
> > would be a shame to have yet another revolution so soon after the last.
> Hi, Jason,
> Unless and until you're in the position of having to MAKE, and then
> live with, actual decisions like this, please refrain from passing
> public judgement on others who have to do so.  It's really kind of
> irritating.
> By the way... there was no "last revolution".
> SVLUG's never been without its presidential and vice presidential
> governance, and that governance has _never_ been overthrown.  Parent
> organizations were discarded as we grew, sure... but it's never been a
> "revolution" - to say otherwise would be doing a huge disservice to
> the volunteers (presidents included!) who have made SVLUG what it is
> today.
> And "revolutions" would infer we're not friends with our ex-parents -
> and that's NOT the case either - I'm pals with both Heather and Ian,
> who are both integral parts of SBAY, which used to be SVLUG's parent
> organization.  I bear neither of them ill will - in fact, I welcome
> them to be active within SVLUG - and one of them currently _is_ active
> as an ongoing volunteer.  That's diplomacy in action, not an
> accident... and definitely not a revolution.
> Volunteers absolutely _must_ help the group more than they hurt it.
> Otherwise, they're a burden, not an assistance to the group.  To let
> anyone continue to volunteer once they're a burden does the group in
> general a disservice.
> DOZENS of SVLUG members have contacted me privately to thank me for my
> recent actions and decisions - and as usual, one or two of you who
> wish to dissent have contacted me publically instead, to give me grief
> about those same decisions.
> I guess that's life on the internet...  now I'm gonna go open a nice
> bottle of wine and have dinner with my wife.
> -Paul

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