[svlug] imap servers that support mbox

Scott Hess scott at doubleu.com
Wed Nov 19 17:47:35 PST 2003

What I find is amazing is that pop/imap servers seem to be uniquely horrid
in terms of documentation.  No docs, no hints, no nothing.  It's almost
like setting up a USENET server back in the early 90's.

[Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't bitch, fix it.  I can't fix everything,


On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Erik Steffl wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:01:14 -0800 
> > Erik Steffl <steffl at bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>cyrus works fairly well but it's pretty hard to configure
> >>(authentification) and debug cofiguration (it has fairly good docs and
> >>helpful mailing list).
> > 
> > 
> > I'll partially argue with this.
> > 
> > Cyrus authentication (SASL) is a pain if you try and fight it.  It
> > really is a question of the system working its damnedest to Do The Right
> > Thing, and the SysAdm fight (every single time I've seen it, which is a
> > fair few) being a case of rabid insistence that SASL is not in fact
> > doing what they want, when it is (a case of non-functioning violent
> > agreement).  Happily using the Debian packages and some simple reading
> > of the documentation combined with doing *EXACTLY* what they say will
> > get you a working productive Cyrus/SASL implementation in single digit
> > minutes almost every time.
>    it was a freaking hell to configure, and I don't really care whether 
> it was doing what it was supposed to do or not. The hell part was the 
> non informatrive or missing error messages so I didn't know what's going 
> on. I was just trying to set up various authenitification methods until 
> I've found one that actually worked according to docs (and I also asked 
> on cyrus mailing list).
>    then debian package broke sasl lib or something (I don't remember but 
> I had to change config again and it was again a hit and miss).
>    and what about sieve - there's a tester (not included with debian, at 
> least when I was setting up cyrus, so you'd have to download cyrus and 
> compile it yourself) for your sieve script but it discards most of the 
> messages from sieve library so to figure out what's wrong with sieve 
> script you have to debug the test program.
>    it might have gotten better over time... I didn't try to install it 
> recently...
>    anyway, I use cyrus anyway, when it works it works well and I like 
> the overall design of independent programs and imap server being the 
> _only_ interface to your mail messages.
> 	erik
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