[svlug] Re: aol is being worse about taking mail

George Georgalis georgw at galis.org
Sun Jul 13 22:15:09 PDT 2003


On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 11:03:42AM -0700, David J. Looney wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:28:54 -0400
>George Georgalis <georgw at galis.org> wrote:
>
>Is AOL objecting to your machine's dynamic IP (68.193.225.220) appearing
>in the headers or to your mta (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net, 167.206.5.42) ? 
>I don't see how they could do this, as one's dynamic IP is going to show
>up in the Received headers regardless of wether or not it's relayed
>through a mailer on your own machine sent through a direct connection
>with your ISPs smtp server.  Your machine IP isn't cited in the
>rejection message (in paretheses), is it ?  

Good point. I assumed "normal" clients that use their ISP's smtp didn't
generate the extra headers, but I'm not sure.

It looks to me as if aol closed the connection while my ISP was
delivering on my behalf. The error is very different from the one where
I connected directly to aol. It does seem generated by my ISP, but per
aol's error.

   (TCP|167.206.5.42|58999|64.12.136.121|25) (DIRECT CONNECTION FROM
   DIAL-UP OR DYNAMIC-IP DENIED)

I read this as aol won't accept because you ran smtp on your dynamic
ip, but more likely, I think the problem was aol got mixed up about
what 'kind' of ip 167.206.5.42 is. Who knows, maybe someone gave it a
mx-for-dyn-subnet.cv.net ptr  ;^)


>Have you tried connecting directly to your ISPs smtp server and
>confirmed that it's not bounced that way as well ?

...well no. There where several other messages that went through for aol
with that one yesterday, and this morning _none_ of them seem to have
bounced.

I might figure out some code that will allow a (qmail) static ip colo
to relay for my dynamic when I send it over there; but I've not yet
thought of a good way to manage my ip changes (too bad dyndns.org can't
work here). (anybody done this, please let me know on/off line) I don't
really want to ssh port forward, but that seems the simplest.

I think it is really stupid to send mail from my dynamic isp to a static
isp just to deliver from static. Maybe I should just move into my colo
facility then I can send mail from where my computer is. Doh!

// George

>> ----- Forwarded message from Internet Mail Delivery
>> <postmaster at mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> -----
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:05:31 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Internet Mail Delivery <postmaster at mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>> Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed
>> To: george at galis.org
>> 
>> This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
>> fields:
>> 
>>   Return-path: <george at galis.org>
>>   Received: from tcp-daemon.mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net by
>>   mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
>>    (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003))
>>    id <0HHY00L163D6C4 at mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>>    (original mail from george at galis.org); Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:05:31
>>    -0400 (EDT)
>>   Received: from asv16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
>>    (asv16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.170]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net
>>    (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003))
>>    with ESMTP id <0HHY00K0O3BUE5 at mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for
>>    myfriend at aol.com; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:04:42 -0400 (EDT)
>>   Received: from trot.local (ool-44c1e1dc.dyn.optonline.net
>>   [68.193.225.220])
>>    by asv16.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id
>>    h6D43onL017760	for<myfriend at aol.com>; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:03:51 -0400 (EDT)
>>   Received: (qmail 13436 invoked by uid 1010); Sun, 13 Jul 2003
>>   04:05:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 13427 invoked by uid 1010); Sun, 13
>>   Jul 2003 04:05:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:05:01 +0000
>>   From: george at galis.org
>>   Subject: The Mailing - Sun, Jul 13, 2003
>>   Cc: recipient list not shown: ;
>>   Message-id: <20030713040501.13366.qmail at trot.local>
>>   Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
>>   Delivered-to: geo-the-mailing at trot.local
>>   MBOX-Line: From george at galis.org
>>   Mailing-List: The Mailing
>> 
>> Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
>> 
>>   Recipient address: myfriend at aol.com
>>   Reason: Illegal host/domain name found
>>   Remote system: dns;mailin-02.mx.aol.com
>>   (TCP|167.206.5.42|58999|64.12.136.121|25) (DIRECT CONNECTION FROM
>>   DIAL-UP OR DYNAMIC-IP DENIED)
>> 
>> 
>> Reporting-MTA: dns;mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (tcp-daemon)
>> 
>> Original-recipient: rfc822;myfriend at aol.com
>> Final-recipient: rfc822;myfriend at aol.com
>> Action: failed
>> Status: 5.4.4 (Illegal host/domain name found)
>> Remote-MTA: dns;mailin-02.mx.aol.com
>> (TCP|167.206.5.42|58999|64.12.136.121|25)
>>  (DIRECT CONNECTION FROM DIAL-UP OR DYNAMIC-IP DENIED)
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:05:01 +0000
>> From: georgw at galis.org
>> Subject: The Mailing - Sun, Jul 13, 2003
>> Cc: recipient list not shown: ;
>> 
>> 
>> Bla Bla Bla
>> 
>> 
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>> 

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