[svlug] bylaws, list policies, web pages...

[Marc MERLIN]

On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 10:56:31PM -0700, dpchrist at inreach.com wrote:
> > but we have day jobs
> 
> I'm glad that you have day jobs.  Some of us are not so fortunate.
 
And that was a saying, as in we don't have lots of time to write those
things, not "we have jobs and you don't" (which I didn't know BTW). I have
enough friends unemployed that I know the pain...
 
> > and spending that much time on this hasn't been worth our time.
> 
> All the more reason to use unpaid labor in the form of volunteers!

We're not shy about doing so.

> Is there documentation for the SVLUG mailing list (and web?) server(s)?
> Can I get a system image and/or tarball (with instructions of how to use
> it)?
 
http://www.list.org/
 
> The web page I would consider modifying is the one containing the
> mailing list policy.  But, I don't see it as my place change SVLUG
> mailing list policy, nor do I know what the process is for doing so.  I
> think it would be better if there were SVLUG bylaws which governed the
> creation, ratification, modification, and implementation of policies
> related to SVLUG community services.
 
Not gonna happen, at least as long as I have something to do with it.
1) svlug is supposed to be fun and technically oriented. Writing bylaws,
   having monthly meetings with quorums and votes is boring as hell
   (I know, one of the clubs I used to belong to did that)

2) svlug used to be a SIG of SVCS, which has its own bylaws so
   that we don't need to deal with that, and thanks to Ian Kluft and others
   we are now a SIG of sbay.org
 
> >From a purely technical standpoint, it appears that the mailing list
> policy is HTML content embedded in the web page in question.  There also
> appears to be server-side includes (*.shtml) and other things which I am
> not familiar with at this time (such as webfetch).  To implement my
> suggestion #2, I would try to figure out how to put the policy into a
> separate file and then include it in both the web page and the
> notification e-mail.
 
Those are technical issues, not very hard to fix.
Before you spend too much time on this, write a short proposal, send it to
officers at svlug.org, and it will be reviewed by our president (Don Marti)
 
> > I think however that most of your proposals are way too strict for our
> > needs.
> 
> Final answer?  Or, are my suggestions still open for other people to
> give their opinion?
 
They are, this was just my personal opinion and a warning before you spend
too much time for this that it might not be for much if you write a whole
set of bylaws or something
(but simple and sensible modifications to a page like our jobs page are more
likely to be accepted right away)
 
> An undercurrent to this entire discussion is "what are the SVLUG rules
> of the road?"  I assumed SVLUG was democratic in nature, but now I'm not
> so sure.  I may not be alone.  A good set of bylaws would clarify any
> confusion on this topic and others.
 
See above
 
> I looked for SVLUG bylaws, but found none.  Do they exist?  If so, can

Nope, see above.


On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 01:24:23AM -0700, Jeff Walter wrote:
> Last I knew the SVLUG mailing list was backended by MajorDomo.  You should
> be able to find a tarball to toy with at
> http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/.
 
It was, a long long time ago. That got changed in 1999 or 2000.
 
On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 09:07:28AM +0000, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote:
> I believe that SVLUG is a Special Intrest Group of the Silicon Valley
> Computer Society.
> 
> Is this still the case?  As I remember, this is how SVLUG gets its
> insurance to cover the public meeting halls.
 
We became a SIG of sbay.org recently, although I don't quite remember when,
I was not closely involved. Don and Ian would know better
 
> So, SVCS maybe in the possession of the Bylaws.

Right, although they aren't ours anymore.

Marc
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