[svlug] whois database seems to be incorrect

[Justin Ryan]

> Realy? Now you tell me. What have subdomain names to do with whois
> database? Not much. Subdomain names are just DNS records,subject to DNS
> administrator, and have nothing to do [1] with whois records otherwise I
> should be able to use iteration on the mentioned example, whois
> com.blows-me.org. but that doesn't work, at least it doesn't with
> [whois.crsnic.net] Whois Server Version 1.3.

My mistake, each of the listed records is a record for a _nameserver_

-snip-

   Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG
   IP Address: 62.4.22.195
   Registrar: GANDI
   Whois Server: whois.gandi.net
   Referral URL: http://www.gandi.net

justin at qutang:~$ host MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG 62.4.22.195
Using domain server:
Name: 62.4.22.195
Address: 62.4.22.195#53
Aliases: 

MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG has address 62.4.22.195

-snip-

MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG is a (valid) _HOST_ in the
COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG zone.  The whois database must hold
information for this host, for if MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG
was authoritative for the zone COM.WILL.CRASH.IN.6MN.ORG, it would need
to be defined before one could look up its' own NS/A records against it.

Make sense? :)

> [1] or they shouldn't.

learn to use footnotes properly, and stop trying to govern the behavior
of the rest of the world..

> > 
> > microsoft.com. is essentially a subdomain of com., so
> > microsoft.com.blows-me.org. is a subdomain of com.blows-me.org., which
> > is a subdomain of blows-me.org., which is a subdomain of org.
> 
> You forgot to separate the . if it's not the end of the sentence.
> 

no, i didn't, a proper dns hostname or zone name should end with a '.'
btw who died and made you the fucking punctuation nazi?

> whois (version I use) ends with 
> "The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
> Registrars."
> 
> That means that the DB should only return ??*.com and not *.??*.com for
> example.

no, you are assuming that.. what it means is that it will not have .gov,
.us, .tv, .cn, etc..

Once again these records are not _domains_ they are _nameservers within
domains_.
 
> Poluting whois DB with subdomain names is bound to be incorrect or it
> makes no sense as it is obvious from the example mentioned previously.
> As a matter of fact, I would agree with any company to go after those
> who use other domain or company name as part of (sub)domain names with
> intension to defraud or defame, but that's just my opinion. Use web
> site(s) to show your opinions about others but don't polute public
> records with crap.

Why yell at me?  I haven't done it, I'm simply explaining that it is
what it is..  Direct your misguided hostility at someone else..

> Why have a DB with incorrect or screwed up information? Just because
> somebody hates one or another organization they should not be allowed
> to mess with public records. It's a disappointment to see registrars
> allow such behaviour. It's more likely IANA issue.

If I own the 6MN.ORG domain I can damn sure call my nameservers
MICROSOFT.COM.WILL.DIE.IN.6MN.ORG. if I want.  Gotta problem with that?

-Justin
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