[svlug] Netscape 6.01

[Rick Moen]

[Hmm, the tarbaby's unusually sticky, today.  But I have industrial-grade 
detergent.  About which, please see below.  Too bad about pipermail.]

> Translation from Rickspeak into English: He's got me cornered so I'll 
> make believe I don't see his messages now, after already replying to him 
> several times.

Here's the filter alluded to, instituted, it turns out, about _two_ years
ago, some time in mid-1999, during that DVD argument you conjured up and 
kept protracting to absurd lengths:

:0:
* ^From:.*jbs at quiotix.com
/dev/null
# Jeffrey B. Siegel, SVLUG nudge

Conversations with you always seemed to devolve immediately into
repeatedly revisiting and reclarifying.  This is no exception:  I did
NOT say I "don't see" your messages.  I said that, because I've had you
killfiled, I see your messages only if I happen to be browsing the Web
archive.  

(This is why I can't have the correct References headers, when
commenting in reply to one of your posts.  Pipermail's archive lacks
them.)

Anyhow, I thought I'd close out that tiresome DVD argument from two years
ago.  Your big, long tirade (at the time) was all about denying my assertion
that DeCSS is _not necessary_ to gain access to the obscured DVD content,
because one could always nag the decrypted bitstream from RAM, as it is
descrambled by DVDCCA-licensed software.  

I said that such was an eminently possible engineering problem.  You denied 
this, citing a FAQ at me as if it were disposative of that question.  I
pointed out the gaping hole in logic entailed, and suggested it would be 
more fruitful to look into the details of how to do it, rather than trotting
out tame FAQs from entertainment/DVD-industry employees purporting it to be
a-priori impossible.  You responded by diving straight for the gutter with
personal name-calling (including armchair psychiatric claims, if memory
serves).  So, I /dev/nulled your e-mail address, and my mailbox has been
much improved for it.

But anyway, here y'go:

http://www.2600.org/news/display.shtml?id=20

   DVD ENCRYPTION CRACKED
   Posted 12 Nov 1999 00:00:00 UTC

   update 11/13/99 
   Since the posting of this article the mirror at www.rhythm.cx has been
   shutdown by motion picture industry lawyers. Their threatening letter has
   been posted here:  http://www.2600.org/news/1112-rhythm.html

   The November 25, 1997 edition of Off The Hook (relevant portion 21
   minutes into show - http://www.2600.org/offthehook/1997/1197.html), 
   reported that DVD copy protection had been defeated.  The method 
   involved a C program that hooks into the device drivers from Zoran's 
   SoftDVD player to intercept decoded DVD data.[...]
   
Please note the date of that audio program, showing conclusively that 
DeCSS was _never relevant_ to the bootlegging issue, from day one.

Feel free to argue at whatever length makes you happy -- bearing in mind
that I might not see it.  For extra bonus points, you could also try
denying that Real Audio (etc.) digital bitstreams can be redirected to
file using a modified sound device file.

-- 
Cheers,      "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first 
Rick Moen     woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers
rick at linuxmafia.com       to kill again."  -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column,
              describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_