[svlug] SVLUG a hotbed of right wing activism?

[Cameron L Palmer]

Wow.  I love it when people take the side of money and business.  It
makes my heart fill with mirth.  Even Adam Smith recognized the
initrinsic power business has over employees. Business naturally wants
everything to be in its favor.  When faced with any obstacle like a
persons disability they will tend to overlook that person and take a
more 'able-bodied' individual instead.  It is just easier for them and
requires less thought.  If laws like ADA don't exist employers
absolutely will start cutting corners.  And that is what government is
here for, to help keep business in check.  Government and laws are all
that stands between corporations and World, Inc.

Of course business to a degree recognizes this is all a game that
govenment and businesses play.  You want to make a law to restrict our
behavior we will lobby to say government is evil.  

We could ignore the whole argument Smitty made simply because he used
the word 'crippled' which is not only considered pejorative but also
gives you the impression that all disabilities are externally visible. 
We should all look to include as many people in society as possible,
create laws if necessary, and not create an elite able-bodied class.  I
think being a healthy human is as much advantage as anyone is going to
get in this life and you should not worry about inconvenience created by
accomodating the less fortunate. 

cameron.

Mike Coleman wrote:
> 
> Smitty <76543a at mpinet.net> writes:
> > The ADA definitely undermines freedom of association, states' rights,
> > privacy rights, and many other rights under the guise of accomodating
> > someone who is crippled.  Those who rammed this crap through the US
> > congress used the conline "What? Anyone who opposes this is just cold
> > and mean-spirited."
> 
> Wow, this sounds just like Rush Limbaugh.  Is SVLUG a hotbed of right-wing
> activism?
> 
> > It is usually the case that if someone can handle a job well, the employer
> > will make accomodations for the employee, without having huge financial
> > penalties coercing them.
> 
> Uh huh.  That worked really well in the 1800s, eh?  And clearly no one except
> white males could handle a job such as management well prior to the 1970s,
> since employers generally weren't hiring them as managers, right?
> Please--even you don't believe this nonsense.
> 
> > This is another suppressive law that makes running a business more
> > dangerous, less fun, and more complicated.  I suggest you email your reps
> > and senators to get this thing repealed.
> 
> The ADA may need a little tweak here and there, but overall it seems like a
> great thing.  I notice that I personally benefit quite a bit from accessible
> places, etc., even though I'm not disabled.
> 
> Perhaps we shouldn't need laws to tell businesses to stop being stupid (e.g.,
> if you're building a new building, make sure the doors are wide enough for
> wheelchairs, duh!), but historically it appears it was necessary.
> 
> --Mike
> 
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