[svlug] Blue with BRU, need replacement, "enterprise" backup solution ...

Daevid Vincent DayWalker at TheMatrix.com
Tue May 23 12:29:01 PDT 2000

although I haven't used it myself, I hear that "Arkeia" is very very good. I
know the ISP where my server "TheMatrix.com" is at uses it with a huge
robotic tape backup system.



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> Subject: [svlug] Blue with BRU, need replacement, "enterprise" backup
> solution ...
> Blue with BRU, need replacement, "enterprise" backup solution ...
> I have a production server that uses BRU for backup (approximately
> 100GB) to an autoloader.  The new budget is coming up, we're looking
> to buy a new server (with approximately ~500GB) including a new tape
> backup (in the same autoloader) and some "enterprise" backup
> software to drive it (and I'm willing to pay $5K to get it).
> The reason I say "enterprise" backup software is because BRU is:
>   A.  Seems to be about 1/3th the speed of other backup software
>   B.  Does not natively support autoloaders (I have mine in
> sequential mode), which is a pain on restores (I can "trick" xbru,
> but it's a pain).
> "A" is the real kicker.  My tape backup drive, Mammoth[-1] (FYI, NOT
> my choice), is only getting between 1-2MBps (it should be more
> like 3-6MBps) on the average.  Likewise, (since I have an EZ17
> autloader, to minimize costs as well as the fact that I have a
> lot of 8500/Mammoth tapes and the things are getting good reviews) I
> am upgrading to Mammoth-2 and the study done by KeyLabs for Exabyte
> shows BRU some 1/3th the speed of most backup software on NT (and I
> assume the OS isn't the problem).
> So I am wondering what everyone is using.
> One vendor that Exabyte (as well as others) seemed to point out for
> Linux is "Quadratec," and their "Time Navigator" product.  There
> pricing is typical for one server, with upto a 10 cartridge
> autoloader, and upto 10 network clients (my Solaris clients will be
> backed up this way), about $5K.  They even have clients for *BSD
> UNIX (which I am looking at to augment some services).
> Does anyone else have any favories???  I don't knock BRU because it
> only cost me $300, but I need to find something else.
> Again, my MAIN CONSIDERATION is "A" above, with the secondary
> consideration "B", the autoloader control/support.  The new 60GB
> (native) Mammoth-2s are some 2-3x faster than Mammoth-1s, and I'm
> going to be backing up 500GB now.  I need more speed for the 5 fold
> increase.  It is my hope that some better software (than BRU) will
> result in a 2-3x speed increase, combined with the 2-3x speed
> increase of the new Mammoth drives will allow me to backup this new
> ammount of total data in the same ammount of time (~1 for a full on
> Friday night, ~2 hours/weeknight for incrementals).
> Note that Windows backup support is NOT a big deal.  I can use
> smbtar/BRU for that when I do the occassional backup of local
> systems (rare, since we keep everything on the network server, or
> temporary data on the Sun workstations).
> Definately respond if you've got some hard numbers on the backup
> package you use, or can attest first hand to drastically better
> performance after chucking BRU in favor of another backup solution.
>  I know about Veritas, ArcServe and others, but I want to hear from
> people who have Mammoth drives and are getting solid performance
> (possibly those who have compared more than one product).
> I have a demo copy of Time Navigator from Quadratec, and I hope to
> test its performance this weekend.
> -- TheBS
> P.S.  And yes, I have the correct BRU configuration for Mammoth,
> including hardware compression.  The original guys who sold us the
> system didn't have the correct settings (but, rather, generic
> ones, so I was getting more like <1MBps before I fixed it!).
> --
>  Bryan "TheBS" Smith -- Engineer, IT Professional and Hacker
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