[svlug] off topic - was there a GOOD source for web-based email?

Alvin Oga alvin at planet.fef.com
Mon May 15 16:14:43 PDT 2000


hi ya jc

me thinks...anything one learns from reading the mailing lists
is good material if one can use the info one day...

peering is good discusion.... up to a point...

guess another question is how many knew about nanog.org...
and others like that...

have fun learning
alvin

> J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 14 May 2000 23:22:49 -0700 
> Marc MERLIN <marc_news at valinux.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 04:25:42PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >> The distinction betwene Tier 1 and Tier2 is rapidly becoming
> >> meaningless.  The name of the game currently is peering, not how
> >> big a pipe you have coming into your site, or even necessarily
> >> how close you are to MAE.  Who do you peer with?  How many other
> >> local
> 
> > Actually, you want to avoid using a provider that dumps their
> > packets into MAE (east or west), and chose one that has as much
> > private peering as possible and only uses the MAE as a last
> > resort.
> 
> Methinks you just agreed with me (and stated my point more clearly,
> thanks!).
> 
> > An interesting one is Internap (http://www.internap.com/) as they
> > do not focus on country-wide network infrastructure, but buy
> > bandwidth from all the major ISPs instead and run custom routing
> > to dump your packets directly on the receipient's Tier-1/2
> > provider's network
> 
> Aye, they are kinda cute.  Bill, from everything I've been able to
> poke, does an excellent job with Zocalo, both technically and in
> getting it well peered, yet my major problem with Zocalo is based on
> that same very fact.  He is so well peered, as in number and spread
> of peering relationships, that some of the peering connections (ie
> the ones I tend to hit heavily in my personal use) are hitting
> saturation during the day.  Of course PacBell is doing their normal
> expeditious "service is #1" job of putting in new lines, leaving him
> twiddling his thumbs, and me in admiring grumbles.
> 
> > But we're getting way off topic here, this really belongs on a
> > list like nanog
> 
> While I agree its off-topic, I'd hope its an allowable off-topic on
> the basis of common interest and utility.  I also argue that NANOG
> is NOT the right place.  SVLUG has, I warrant, an atypically high
> population of people with boxes colocated at ISPs, of people with
> otherwise hosted servers, with static connections with static IPs,
> personal (or other) domain registrations etc.  As such, this sort of
> data, even at the highly general level we have been discussing it
> at, is of interest to them, and for the same reasons, is not of
> interest to NANOG (who hopefully know all this stuff already (or
> we're in deep trouble)), and further, NANOG doesn't have as much of
> an education charter as SVLUG does.  
> 
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