[svlug] Re: [svlug]SVLUG Ineffective Communication - A Rant Everyone Should Read

Chris J. DiBona chris at dibona.com
Mon May 1 07:16:57 PDT 2000


Well, give it a chance, I'm sur its not over yet.

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On Tue, 2 May 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:

> Never claimed we were TRYING to do a bad job. ;-)
> 
> Just said we WERE doing a bad job. (in this case I define bad as "not as 
> good as we could be doing").
> 
> Thank you, Chris, for that committment. :)
> 
> (see, this wasn't so rough at all, the resulting flame-war will probably be 
> dead before primetime shows are on tonight, that's GOTTA be a record for 
> SVLUG *G*)
> 
> D
> 
> 
> At 07:03 AM 5/1/00 -0700, Chris J. DiBona wrote:
> >I'll tell you what I'll do, I'll commit to that. It's not
> >like we're trying to do a bad job after all.
> >
> >  Chris
> >
> >--
> >Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems            http://www.valinux.com
> >President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group               http://www.svlug.org
> >Grant Chair, Linux International.                            http://www.li.org
> >Co-editor, Open Sources                                  http://www.dibona.com
> >
> >On Tue, 2 May 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> >
> > > OK, I can accept that, but if we don't get the announcement, and the web
> > > site isn't up to date, then he can have speakers booked through 2002 and
> > > its meaningless, right? I mean if we don't know about it, then it's a moot
> > > point, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Cool that the site is now updated, though. :)
> > >
> > > What I'd like to see, ideally, is a committment to firm up the process of
> > > getting the info from Sam to you/web-team/whomever, so that we can now 
> > STAY
> > > current, instead of sliding slowly back to where we have been.
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > > At 06:51 AM 5/1/00 -0700, Chris J. DiBona wrote:
> > > >To be fair, Sam has been pretty up to date except for the announcement
> > > >being sent out, that's a minor screw up, but the site should ahve been
> > > >updated.
> > > >
> > > >  Chris
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux 
> > Systems            http://www.valinux.com
> > > >President, Silicon Valley Linux Users 
> > Group               http://www.svlug.org
> > > >Grant Chair, Linux 
> > International.                            http://www.li.org
> > > >Co-editor, Open 
> > Sources                                  http://www.dibona.com
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 2 May 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At 06:27 AM 5/1/00 -0700, Chris J. DiBona wrote:
> > > > > >Okay, how about this: You being a jerk to volunteers sure helps a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > > When have I been a jerk to volunteers? I said we LOOK like we're 
> > friggin
> > > > > clueless. We have, arguably, among the brightest membership base to 
> > draw
> > > > > from, but if you look at our public presentation you would never 
> > know it.
> > > > > THAT's what I was saying, Chris. Stop taking everything so damned
> > > > personally.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Being jerks to volunteers really drives people to work harder
> > > > > >doesn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > If "wanting to do better" is "being a jerk", then I guess I will 
> > happily
> > > > > accept the title of "Jerk" and wish that the president of my LUG was
> > > > also a
> > > > > "Jerk" so that he would be doing HIS best.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Frankly, SVLUG isn't a broken SCSI driver or a bad kernel. SVLUG
> > > > > >is more like a driver for a device that works fine, could be a little
> > > > > >faster, could be a little more efficient, but it does the job.
> > > > >
> > > > > s/little/much/
> > > > > s/could/should/
> > > > >
> > > > > >So I'll say to you that while I would have liked the announcement 
> > to go
> > > > > >out earlier, it was more than 27 hours before the meeting. (3 days
> > > > > >before? I don't rememeber) again
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I saw that. That was during the "what the hell stage" when all my
> > > > > mail filters for SVLUG got broke by SVLUG changing the software for the
> > > > > mailing list. I'll admit to probably having lost it in that shuffle.
> > > > > Doesn't change that 4-5 days notice is still really poor.
> > > > >
> > > > > >, I'd love for there to be more warning,
> > > > > >but I'm not going to spend my life prompting sam to move faster.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reality Check, Chris: You're the president. Making sure the other 
> > officers
> > > > > do what they're supposed to is part of the job we elected you to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > >People
> > > > > >know when SVLUG is (everyone now:) First wednesday of the month. 
> > It's been
> > > > > >like that for 3 years now at least.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right, and many of us plan or decide if we can schedule the time to go
> > > > > BASED ON whether the subject of the lecture is something we're directly
> > > > > interested in. Knowing that further in advance is a Very Good 
> > Thing, both
> > > > > through the announce list as well as through the web site.
> > > > >
> > > > > >All that people need to know is who is
> > > > > >speaking. I'll make sure that's fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cool.
> > > > >
> > > > > >So, that siad,  I've talked with Lisa who will get the changes up 
> > so that
> > > > > >the page will be up to date and with the next 4 speakers up. She 
> > assures
> > > > > >me it will be up before the end of the day. I managed to do it 
> > wwithout
> > > > > >being a jerk or calling people "friggin clueless".
> > > > >
> > > > > Congratulations. Now aim that same charm at Sam for timely 
> > information and
> > > > > we'll be golden. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > >And you talk about complaints, and yes there have been a few, but 
> > I can
> > > > > >only think of a few that have been from members other than you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of the others have tired of calling it to peoples attention how
> > > > bad we
> > > > > look to the world. How many times has Rick complained in the past about
> > > > > inadequacies? I won't speak for him and cannot, but I bet if you 
> > ask him,
> > > > > his answer is "aw, hell, I gave up trying". Ask Ian, and I'm sure 
> > you'd
> > > > get
> > > > > an earful. I, on the other hand, hold out a lot of hope for us. 
> > Perhaps,
> > > > > from your attitude in this, I am mistaken.
> > > > >
> > > > > D
> > > > >
> > >
> 






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