[svlug] Re: [Officers] SVLUG Ineffective Communication - A Rant Everyone Should Read

Derek J. Balling dredd at megacity.org
Tue May 2 13:56:25 PDT 2000

OK, I can accept that, but if we don't get the announcement, and the web 
site isn't up to date, then he can have speakers booked through 2002 and 
its meaningless, right? I mean if we don't know about it, then it's a moot 
point, isn't it?

Cool that the site is now updated, though. :)

What I'd like to see, ideally, is a committment to firm up the process of 
getting the info from Sam to you/web-team/whomever, so that we can now STAY 
current, instead of sliding slowly back to where we have been.


At 06:51 AM 5/1/00 -0700, Chris J. DiBona wrote:
>To be fair, Sam has been pretty up to date except for the announcement
>being sent out, that's a minor screw up, but the site should ahve been
>  Chris
>Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems            http://www.valinux.com
>President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group               http://www.svlug.org
>Grant Chair, Linux International.                            http://www.li.org
>Co-editor, Open Sources                                  http://www.dibona.com
>On Tue, 2 May 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:
> > At 06:27 AM 5/1/00 -0700, Chris J. DiBona wrote:
> > >Okay, how about this: You being a jerk to volunteers sure helps a lot.
> >
> > When have I been a jerk to volunteers? I said we LOOK like we're friggin
> > clueless. We have, arguably, among the brightest membership base to draw
> > from, but if you look at our public presentation you would never know it.
> > THAT's what I was saying, Chris. Stop taking everything so damned 
> personally.
> >
> > >Being jerks to volunteers really drives people to work harder
> > >doesn't it?
> >
> > If "wanting to do better" is "being a jerk", then I guess I will happily
> > accept the title of "Jerk" and wish that the president of my LUG was 
> also a
> > "Jerk" so that he would be doing HIS best.
> >
> > >Frankly, SVLUG isn't a broken SCSI driver or a bad kernel. SVLUG
> > >is more like a driver for a device that works fine, could be a little
> > >faster, could be a little more efficient, but it does the job.
> >
> > s/little/much/
> > s/could/should/
> >
> > >So I'll say to you that while I would have liked the announcement to go
> > >out earlier, it was more than 27 hours before the meeting. (3 days
> > >before? I don't rememeber) again
> >
> > Yeah, I saw that. That was during the "what the hell stage" when all my
> > mail filters for SVLUG got broke by SVLUG changing the software for the
> > mailing list. I'll admit to probably having lost it in that shuffle.
> > Doesn't change that 4-5 days notice is still really poor.
> >
> > >, I'd love for there to be more warning,
> > >but I'm not going to spend my life prompting sam to move faster.
> >
> > Reality Check, Chris: You're the president. Making sure the other officers
> > do what they're supposed to is part of the job we elected you to do.
> >
> > >People
> > >know when SVLUG is (everyone now:) First wednesday of the month. It's been
> > >like that for 3 years now at least.
> >
> > Right, and many of us plan or decide if we can schedule the time to go
> > BASED ON whether the subject of the lecture is something we're directly
> > interested in. Knowing that further in advance is a Very Good Thing, both
> > through the announce list as well as through the web site.
> >
> > >All that people need to know is who is
> > >speaking. I'll make sure that's fixed.
> >
> > Cool.
> >
> > >So, that siad,  I've talked with Lisa who will get the changes up so that
> > >the page will be up to date and with the next 4 speakers up. She assures
> > >me it will be up before the end of the day. I managed to do it wwithout
> > >being a jerk or calling people "friggin clueless".
> >
> > Congratulations. Now aim that same charm at Sam for timely information and
> > we'll be golden. :)
> >
> > >And you talk about complaints, and yes there have been a few, but I can
> > >only think of a few that have been from members other than you.
> >
> > Most of the others have tired of calling it to peoples attention how 
> bad we
> > look to the world. How many times has Rick complained in the past about
> > inadequacies? I won't speak for him and cannot, but I bet if you ask him,
> > his answer is "aw, hell, I gave up trying". Ask Ian, and I'm sure you'd 
> get
> > an earful. I, on the other hand, hold out a lot of hope for us. Perhaps,
> > from your attitude in this, I am mistaken.
> >
> > D
> >

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