[svlug] Re: [Officers] SVLUG Ineffective Communication - A Rant Everyone Should Read

Chris J. DiBona chris at dibona.com
Mon May 1 06:51:49 PDT 2000

To be fair, Sam has been pretty up to date except for the announcement
being sent out, that's a minor screw up, but the site should ahve been


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President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group               http://www.svlug.org
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On Tue, 2 May 2000, Derek J. Balling wrote:

> At 06:27 AM 5/1/00 -0700, Chris J. DiBona wrote:
> >Okay, how about this: You being a jerk to volunteers sure helps a lot.
> When have I been a jerk to volunteers? I said we LOOK like we're friggin 
> clueless. We have, arguably, among the brightest membership base to draw 
> from, but if you look at our public presentation you would never know it. 
> THAT's what I was saying, Chris. Stop taking everything so damned personally.
> >Being jerks to volunteers really drives people to work harder
> >doesn't it?
> If "wanting to do better" is "being a jerk", then I guess I will happily 
> accept the title of "Jerk" and wish that the president of my LUG was also a 
> "Jerk" so that he would be doing HIS best.
> >Frankly, SVLUG isn't a broken SCSI driver or a bad kernel. SVLUG
> >is more like a driver for a device that works fine, could be a little
> >faster, could be a little more efficient, but it does the job.
> s/little/much/
> s/could/should/
> >So I'll say to you that while I would have liked the announcement to go
> >out earlier, it was more than 27 hours before the meeting. (3 days
> >before? I don't rememeber) again
> Yeah, I saw that. That was during the "what the hell stage" when all my 
> mail filters for SVLUG got broke by SVLUG changing the software for the 
> mailing list. I'll admit to probably having lost it in that shuffle. 
> Doesn't change that 4-5 days notice is still really poor.
> >, I'd love for there to be more warning,
> >but I'm not going to spend my life prompting sam to move faster.
> Reality Check, Chris: You're the president. Making sure the other officers 
> do what they're supposed to is part of the job we elected you to do.
> >People
> >know when SVLUG is (everyone now:) First wednesday of the month. It's been
> >like that for 3 years now at least.
> Right, and many of us plan or decide if we can schedule the time to go 
> BASED ON whether the subject of the lecture is something we're directly 
> interested in. Knowing that further in advance is a Very Good Thing, both 
> through the announce list as well as through the web site.
> >All that people need to know is who is
> >speaking. I'll make sure that's fixed.
> Cool.
> >So, that siad,  I've talked with Lisa who will get the changes up so that
> >the page will be up to date and with the next 4 speakers up. She assures
> >me it will be up before the end of the day. I managed to do it wwithout
> >being a jerk or calling people "friggin clueless".
> Congratulations. Now aim that same charm at Sam for timely information and 
> we'll be golden. :)
> >And you talk about complaints, and yes there have been a few, but I can
> >only think of a few that have been from members other than you.
> Most of the others have tired of calling it to peoples attention how bad we 
> look to the world. How many times has Rick complained in the past about 
> inadequacies? I won't speak for him and cannot, but I bet if you ask him, 
> his answer is "aw, hell, I gave up trying". Ask Ian, and I'm sure you'd get 
> an earful. I, on the other hand, hold out a lot of hope for us. Perhaps, 
> from your attitude in this, I am mistaken.
> D

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