[svlug] Pac Bell DSL and PPPoE
dfox at belvdere.vip.best.com
Sun Aug 13 10:49:02 PDT 2000
> It's possible technically and actually has been for quite a while.
> It's just that the phone companies don't want to undercut their protected
> tarrif income in T1s, T3s and so on. Just imagine if everyone could
> order cheap aDSL at almost T1 speed for less than $100/month.
So that's it. A conspiracy :). Kind of like the auto manufacturers who
could theoretically build cars that got over 200 miles per gallon, but
they'd be shot by representatives of oil companies if they tried :). OK
that's probably quite not the case, but oh well. :) Some of the pricing
I've looked at recently would give up to 608k down for $40, and up to
1.5mbps down for $79. Sometimes you can get real close to T1 speeds, but
those would be infrequent, and not the same thing as having a full T1
pipe in your house. I also suspect that there's a lot of reselling
going on as well.
> It's $199/month standalone (i.e. if you don't sign up for their Compaq
> PC package).
The page says $219, but that's about right. But it's still only 384K
up, and 1.5-6.0 Mbps down. I suspect 6.0 is very rare, and most of the
time you'll get 1.5 Mbps. Still cheaper than T1, if they can guarantee
the low end. They also have an 'enhanced' tier ($99/mo) of 384-1.5mbps
and 128kbps. That's about the same as 'regular' DSL.
I'll check it out. It's more expensive of course than 'regular' DSL, but
still much cheaper than a dedicated T1 line (which, at verio.com, was
$399 / month). (Used to be $6K/mo once, right?) I don't think I can
afford ca. $200/mo for internet. I did check out rawbandwidth.com, and
it's pretty reasonable. I found out they used to be tsoft.com, and I
had a shell account there for a short time (6 months?) some years ago.
PS I got an email from Mike Durkin, who I remember as being the admin of
tsoft when I was there.
> Yes, Pac Bell supports and service sucks at times. But so does most
> other ISPs at one time or another. But if you know what you are doing,
> then generally it does not matter that much. At the moment, I have two
> aDSL line at home, so if Pac Bell goes out, I still have the other one as
Can you use both and get more speed?
> a backup and the wish to find another provider is not as urgent as it used
> to be. Besides, I did tried. The other DSL providers I've called (4)
> were all really bad at service (responding to my inquiries, no followup,
I've had that experience as well. AT&T sent me a very nice proposal in
email some time back, but they were too expensive. fastpoint.net looked
attractive, but no followup. Pac Bell (the times I tried, which were
sometime ago) said they needed to measure the distance between me and
the central office, and they would get in touch with me in a few days. They
never did. At that time I could have been too far away.
> Everything can be controlled via a web interface... except when I asked
> him how does the owner login and he said, "oh http auth"...
> !!! plain text password (HTTP AUTH)
Ouch. You might as well have a lock - those can be broken into too,
> to see people's house attack them, kinda bring 2001 Space Odyssey to
> mind :-)
"what are you doing Dave"
"installing shadow passwords"
"sorry, I can't let you do that. BTW, you'll have a very hard time
getting into the airlock without your helmet"
> Tin Le
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