[svlug] Local Classes

[Barry Fujii]

Marilyn,
	Yes, I am talking about the main campus, however, the computer science
major, either the BS or the BA both require theory CS and CE classes. While
the description of the major describe a practical component of the major, it
is wrapped into theory as well. Take for example the BA. They require a
"depth sequence" to be completed. These sequences are:
	(a) Compilers and language theory
	(b) Operating systems and hardware
	(c) Theory
	(d) Software methodology
for the BS degree a healthy does of all of the above are required.
I got this info from http://reg.ucsc.edu/catalog/cmps/

	Once a student begins their upper division classes most of the burly coding
stops with exception of OS and Compiler design.

	I also know that some of the classes taught from Santa Cruz and piped over
to the Extension are very theory oriented, I am taking my second one right
now. They are theory oriented because they are also being used by students
on the main campus as graduation requirements.

	I am sure that the lower division classes are much more code oriented
because the students are still learning the basics, however, you learn ten
times as much in  the upper division classes.

Barry


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-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-svlug at svlug.org [mailto:owner-svlug at svlug.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Davis
Sent:	Friday, November 13, 1998 10:11 PM
To:	svlug
Subject:	[svlug] Local Classes


> From: "Barry Fujii" <barry at webpipeline.com>

> 	I have taken many programming in C/C++ courses, a Solaris
> multithread programming course, and a single "learn Unix" class
> through Foothill.  Overall I was very happy with the experience.

> 	I also happened to transfer to UCSC, where I am currently
> taking my last two classes. Because of the theoretical orientation
> at the UC campuses, there isn't much push towards learning Unix,
> it's more towards the theory, Unix is merely a tool to understand
> concepts. Nevertheless I am very happy with the classes at both
> schools.

Maybe you are talking about the regular campus, rather than the
extension?

I teach Intro to Unix/C at the Extension and I teach the GNU
programming tools to rank beginners in a unix lab.  There is a Unix
Administration Certificate, and other Unix stuff as well as
programming classes in Java, C++, scripting, and sometimes an
"Installing Linux on Your PC" class -- first taught by my sysadmin.

I also teach Intro to C II, which is not in a lab but I take my
linux-run (1.0.9) 486SLC laptop -- all *very* old -- for demos.  It's
just fine for that purpose.

I'm not necessarily recommending UCSC Extension because it *is*
expensive.  Also, from what my students tell me and from my son's and
sysadmin's experience, I wouldn't say the quality is necessarily
better than Foothill or the other community colleges.  It varies from
teacher to teacher.

BTW, my son is now taking an online C++ class from the Waite group's
"C++ Interactive Course" -- $50.  The online part comes with the book
and he's having a wonderful time of it and seems to be learning the
real stuff.  Now, that's cheap!

Marilyn Davis




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