[Smaug] Call for Web site proposals
ian at loosescre.ws
Sat Mar 17 23:46:18 PST 2012
I could make a new website if needed. It would, however, be one of
those CMS things that Rick hates so much... I don't want to waste my
time making something that isn't needed/wanted.
On 3/18/2012 12:17 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting peterbe at sdf.org (peterbe at sdf.org):
>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 07:26:19PM -0700, Jeremiah Daniels wrote:
>>> Got.Net says the site was taken down because something about it was
>>> a security vulnerability, that it was compromised somehow. They
>>> tarred it all up.
>>> They don't want to put it back up without it being cleaned first.
>>> How to proceed?
>> I have no idea. I don't know anything about Drupal, I don't have a
>> password for making any significant modifications except what the
>> user interface can do from my account. I'd rather have a basic php
>> page which I know how to deal with, actually.
> Gosh, what a fscking surprise. Please see point #4, 'Security
> nightmares'. http://lists.svlug.org/archives/smaug/2005q4/001372.html
> 4. Security nightmares. PHP-based CMSs' security histories, in
> particular, have generally been a bad joke, and ones that rely on the
> PHPXMLRPC daemon more so. Drupal is both written in PHP _and_ relies
> on PHPXMLRPC. [...]
> How come _nobody ever listens_ to Unix sysadmins when they speak
> squarely within their area of expertise?
> You know, Smaug _had_ a perfect serviceable page that David Gatwood
> created at SourceForge, which was maintained via ssh / text editor and
> svn checkins, but suddenly someone swooped in and said 'Simple, modular
> HTML sucks; let's go with Teh Shiny', pronounced that simple maintence
> regime as 'all that rubbish' (French cherry person 'Phil/CERisE', link
> #3 below), and suddenly y'all asked in 2005 to repoint the DNS at the Drupal
> thing Jay Campbell created over at Got.net.
> The 'smaug-web' project Jacob Hunter and David Gatwood created at
> SourceForge still exists: http://sourceforge.net/projects/smaug-web/
> We therefore could repoint the DNS back to that (now long unmaintained)
> SF.net-based set of Web pages in a heartbeat. (Well, as soon as I
> re-research what frelling IP to point to.)
> Of course, the problem with that was that literally nobody but me ever
> bothered to ssh in, use a text editor to update Web pages, and check
> changes into svn:
> And _then_, after I repeatedly asked the alleged members to participate
> in site maintenance, deliberately stopped for a bit to see of there were
> any takers, and the only result was that one Peter Belew saw fit to
> complain that the site was 'way out of date':
> So, hey, if someone wants to get off his ass and create something that
> y'all want to at least pretend you want to maintain, let me know when
> it's up, and we'll point the DNS at it. If, as I expect, nobody lifts a
> finger after about a week, I'll see if I can figure out how to
> reactivate the site hosted at SourceForge.
> I'm more than a little cynical on the subject at this point, because
> I'm getting the vibes that if it isn't maximally pointy-clicky a la
> Drupal, i.e., if you're aren't able to avoid the need for that nasty
> basic competence with standard Unix tools, you're going to sit on your
> hands, not help, and whine a lot and demand Web-mediated editing.
> CALLING ALL WEB FOLK:
> This is your chance to create a new Smaug Web site. You have a week.
> Tell me what IP to point www.scruz.org to.
> A static mirror of the (SourceForge-based) site Smaug used in 2005 is here:
> It uses SSIs (server-side includes), and could be fairly trivially
> converted over to PHP. You are most welcome to borrow liberally from
> what Smaug used through 2005. Or, if you prefer, not.
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> Smaug home page: http://www.scruz.org/
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