[Smaug] Fedora 12 Beta now available

Peter Belew abcruzww at gmail.com
Thu Oct 29 14:50:36 PST 2009

Good points - DSL and Puppy. I need to figure out UpStart and so on ...

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Peter Belew (abcruzww at gmail.com):
>>  These are actually "Samuel" CPUs, so there is a problem with some
>> distros, which as you say seem to try to run i686 kernels or other
>> programs and crash - I've seen that happen. Staying with generic 386
>> or 486 kernels works generally. But then there are sometimes some
>> display issues ...
> Aha!  Yes, there was a great deal of sturm und drang about that on
> Linux forums, when those system were new.  You might actually remember
> that.  ;->
> [Your three AMD systems:]
>> I think most of these system have 512MB of RAM.
> Just to correct my earlier posting, the "400 MHz" bit suggests they're
> _K7_-class CPUs, not K6.  But the same remark applies, that these are
> not pre-i686.  Anyway, with 512 MB RAM, you really _should_ be able to
> use them as full-service graphical workstations, if you want, provided
> you don't _waste_ RAM -- in which category, I would include GNOME and
> even XFCE4.
> On a *buntu variant, if you just delete the symlink
> /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager, that alone removes the worst source
> of wasteage.  Then, you can do "sudo apt-get install icewm".  Then,
> "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" to reset the value of
> /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager as per your preference.  After
> restart, you'll find there are a _lot_ fewer pointless processes
> running.
> Speaking of that, it's always worthwhile, on lower-RAM machines, to
> actually review the process table.  I am finding, to my amazement, that
> a lot of Linux users just aren't bothering to even understand what's
> running on their machines, let alone actively decide what _should_ run.
> So, it really, really pays to learn to understand the output of "ps" and
> "top" -- especially the RSS and VSZ figures that detail process memory
> usage.
> Early in my *ix usage, I came up with a useful heuristic for identifying
> what's a useful process.  A useful process is one that, if you kill it,
> you miss what it does.  (That's _slightly_ tongue-in-cheek:  It's worth
> at least attempting to determine what a process is and why it's running,
> before clobbering it just out of curiosity.  However, the larger point
> is a serious one:  It's your machine.  Shouldn't it run only what _you_
> want, and not a whole lot of junk you don't desire?)
> Ancillary to that, you also have a strong incentive to understand your
> system's init process -- System V Init for traditional Linux distros,
> Upstart for *buntus and some others -- in order to better control what
> launches at startup and what doesn't.
> Going through that exercise averts, among other things, the spectacle I
> see at many LUGs of people deciding the only desktop distro suitable for
> PIII-class machines is Puppy Linux (or DamnSmallLinux, or AntiX).  One
> can do a lot better.
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It's completely normal that you lose data on "Windows" platforms.
That's why you have a UNIX or Linux or BSD server for backups.

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