[Smaug] Smaug meeting tonight

cerise@armory.com cerise at armory.com
Tue Nov 15 12:45:50 PST 2005

On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 11:56:41AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> I don't dislike Phil (and very much appreciate him and Fizz having
> gotten meetings going again).  Judging from the rather crazed off-list
> mail I get from time to time, the reverse is not true.  Oh well.

   To reiterate, I don't have a problem with you, Rick.  I have a problem
with your method of interaction on mailing lists.  I say yours and not
our interaction because every mail list I've ever seen you on has featured
you in the starring role of some flame war.  You've chased people off-list.
You've demonstrated considerable long-term difficulty reading.  You've
blustered and emailed till you're red in the fingers (and, from what I've
heard, red in the face).
   And this isn't just with lists that you happen to be directly involved
with.  It seems more like your idea of fun is to go sniffing around on
other non-local lists and stir up similar anti-Rick sentiment.  Your name
turns up in some of the most extraordinary places.  It shouldn't shock
you that it's never complimentary.
   As it is, I've had several requests telling me I should remove you from
this mailing list.  The same dance happened in the SlugLUG days, though I
was a damn sight nearer to expunging you at that point.
   Frankly Rick, you've done little more than serve as an annoyance.  What
good you do serve is trivially overshadowed by people you chase away, the
increase of noise on mailing lists, and your stance as an apparent barrier
to progress.
> For years and years, you folks have left that _entirely_ up to me, and
> I've been asking for broader participation during that entire time.
> Isn't it about time someone else pitched in?
> Moving to Drupal, a wiki, or HTTP over tin cans and string won't fix
> that shortfall.

   Actually, it will.  And if you can't see that there's a relatively
large barrier to entry in the hacked up crud hanging around in SourceForge vs.
a CMS, then you are in severe need of a cranial extraction by a proctologist.
   Hint -- People are MUCH more likely to use something involving a browser, 
username and password than sshing into a system, playing with CVS and cron 
scripts, and editing content.
   It's not the only hint you should've taken a long time ago, but it's the
only one I care to administer at the moment.


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