[Smaug] scruz.org re-design

Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com
Mon Nov 7 21:51:09 PST 2005

Quoting cerise at armory.com (cerise at armory.com):

> Alright, here's what I think.
> 1) Rick:  I don't mean that anyone else would necessarily
>    maintain Anthony's over David's or David's over Anthony's.
>    What I mean is that if Anthony puts things together and
>    owns it, then chances are he'll maintain it.

You know, I'd like to say I agree with you, but I honestly do not 
see this at _all_.  That is not what Web designers do.  They come up
with something, and hand it off to the client.  

I appreciate Anthony's generosity in doing this work, and I meant no 
criticism in raising the point:  I was simply pointing out that claiming 
Anthony's idea of a Web site is more likely to be maintained is a
non-sequitur conclusion.

> 2) Jacob:  Your input is valued, however I don't think any of
>    us apart from you have a particular sentimental attachment
>    to the web page in particular.

I personally don't have a _sentimental_ attachment to David's work, but
I appreciate its aesthetic merit -- and the thoughtful SSI design that
makes editing reasonably foolproof.

> It's sort of a millstone at the moment because it's continually out of
> date. 

As mentioned, you aren't making sense:  Maintenance is an orthogonal
issue.  You and others are every bit as likely to blow off a relatively
ugly replacement as they are the existing pages.

> Modernizing it paves the way for automating some tasks (like,
> for example, when the next meeting is). 

I don't think you have any idea what's entailed.  Furthermore, you're
again raising something entirely orthogonal and drawing a non-sequitur
conclusion:  If changes could be automated on an entirely new site
(which is a whole lot more difficult than you think, because of the way
the site works), then it could equally well could be with the existing

Basically, you've let yourself get fed a line by a Web designer, who
simply wants to chuck everything out for reasons entirely of his own.

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