[Smaug] scruz.org re-design

Rick Moen rick at linuxmafia.com
Mon Nov 7 21:30:54 PST 2005

Quoting Anthony Ettinger (apwebdesign at yahoo.com):

> > He's motivated?  Good.  I look forward to him joining the
> > SourceForge project.  
> Can I commit changes from an anonymous CVS account?

Not from any anonymous CVS account I've ever heard of.  I guess you must
never have used SourceForge, before, but you should have gotten clear on
that question when you read the site docs.  You _are_ going to read the
site docs, I hope?

> Actually, I was going to redesign it all.

Wait, I'm confused:  Weren't you saying your aim was simply to 
improve accessibility?  If so, that doesn't appear to call for a total
redesign at all.  

I hope you don't mind my being quite frank about this:  Your mockup, 
in addition to completely missing the advantages of David's segregation
of markup into the static portion (*.html files) that don't get touched 
and the server-side includes (*.sub files) that are intended to be
edited, simply doesn't look very good compared to David's artistic
touch.  Aesthetically, it would be a big step backwards, in my view.
(I'm really lousy with graphics myself, but I recognise good work when I
see it.)

> If possible, why don't you just make a CVS module called "redesign"
> and whoever wants to can hack away at it...

After you join the project, you can do that yourself.  (Haven't we had
this conversation already?)

> If updating the date is all that needs to be done, I can do that with
> javascript or an ssi perl script.

It's a bit more complex, as you'd know if you'd checked out the CVS and
read the site docs.  

> Here are a few reasons why you may want to implement a new standards
> design (regardless of who does it):

And yet, all of those things can be done by merely implementing CSS
instead of tables in the existing design.

Say, you aren't simply wanting to ignore everything that's been done to
date, because you simply _want_ to do a complete site redesign, and this 
business about accessibility is just an excuse?

Because you're sounding a whole like a lot of Web designers I know, who
just want an excuse to play around and change everything, and whom wild
horses couldn't drag into merely fixing someone _else's_ work, even if
that makes more sense for the client.

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