> On a side note, I was surprised to not see "lorem > ipsum" used ; ) I never understood why designers bothered with that :) Anyhow, this is a CSS design. Take it away (web developer toolbar for firefox Ctrl+Shift+S) and you'll get the simple semantic html. works great in Lynx :) Anthony Ettinger ph: (408) 656-2473 web: http://www.apwebdesign.com